Comments from AH

Liked Brian's piece on guilt, though one particular phrase at the end of the first paragraph was peculiarly inapt not to say inept!

Mind you the example of the broom needs the application of lateral thinking. Sheila's two brooms is an excellent possibility, my idea of Brian sweeping both is even better … or maybe leave paths, patio and garage unswept.

The feeling of guilt of course has a legitimate function when we are guilty. Every time I rob a bank, it is right that I feel guilty especially should it restrict the frequency of that activity. But Brian is right (dangerous admission) when he questions the use of guilt to change another's behaviour. This is a powerful weapon, much used by parents, teachers and preachers to induce conformity and submission. Also used as Brian suggests by fundraisers for charities with great effect. Most of us know the effect of guilt. I know a few folk who seemed so consumed by it that their individuality has been swamped.

Sheila's question on conscience, which is usually a factor in guilt, is interesting. Kant believed conscience to be an innate moral law, with universal application whilst Freud places it in the controlling superego built up by strict parental injunctions which have become internalised.

The orthodox Christian position is nearer to that of Socrates who called it an inner 'divine voice', perhaps equivalent to the Quaker 'that of God in every man'. Evangelical Christians would probably agree with Ortiz that it is the 'voice of our spirit' which needs to be united with the Holy Spirit to work properly otherwise it is malformed by early teaching. Ortiz's Pentecostal conscience wouldn't let him whistle, my Baptist conscience forbade alcohol and more than one cinema visit per week. Nonconformist conscience kept one from any idleness, and all of these made sex something furtively nasty. He suggests that 'new birth' gets rid of all these biases - I am not so sure!

I think I feel closer to the Socratic idea, whilst recognising that early instruction affects its clear operation. In the Royal Navy before the advent of modern technology, the helmsman was not allowed to carry his knife because of the effect it might have on the compass. I suspect that analogy could be relevant to conscience.

Why have I allowed myself to get into this long tirade? … all because of Brian and his wretched broom!

I think he should fly off on it!!

Alan

Superb contribution again from the Old Duffer. MS